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		<title>By: Security Briefing - May 11th : Liquidmatrix Security Digest</title>
		<link>http://newschoolsecurity.com/2009/05/time-to-patch-patch-significance-types-of-cloud-computing/#comment-81</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 12:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Time To Patch, Patch Significance, &amp; Types of Cloud Computing &#8211; New School of Information Security  The New School stole our award for longest blog title, by the by. Not that we&#8217;re bitter. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://newschoolsecurity.com/2009/05/time-to-patch-patch-significance-types-of-cloud-computing/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 16:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Patrick,

Good point.  Patching quickly could prove to be quite effective within certain risk models that may be time-independent.  

The angle on this that is interesting to explore is the Time-to-Patch stats from Qualys vs. data on breach causes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patrick,</p>
<p>Good point.  Patching quickly could prove to be quite effective within certain risk models that may be time-independent.  </p>
<p>The angle on this that is interesting to explore is the Time-to-Patch stats from Qualys vs. data on breach causes.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Florer</title>
		<link>http://newschoolsecurity.com/2009/05/time-to-patch-patch-significance-types-of-cloud-computing/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Florer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 16:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

I wrote you about this idea a few months ago - fromt the Theory of Constraints, and originally from physics:

Inherent simplicity - the more complex the system, the fewer places you have to touch it to influence it.

It works both ways - good and bad influence - maybe patching/failure to patch is one example of where the idea makes sense.

Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>I wrote you about this idea a few months ago &#8211; fromt the Theory of Constraints, and originally from physics:</p>
<p>Inherent simplicity &#8211; the more complex the system, the fewer places you have to touch it to influence it.</p>
<p>It works both ways &#8211; good and bad influence &#8211; maybe patching/failure to patch is one example of where the idea makes sense.</p>
<p>Patrick</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 13:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@shrdlu 

RE: dual purpose - Could be.  But we&#039;re talking two pretty different data sets at this point.  

RE: SaaS/PaaS/IaaS - I was assuming that (in IaaS, at least), the customer would be responsible for patching the various levels of Cloud Infrastructure (ala Hoff&#039;s diagram in the CSA doc and on his blog) they had &quot;control over&quot;.  But more directly to your point - yeah, if we&#039;re doing a &quot;bad job&quot; (for whatever that is worth) patching in a timely manner (and maybe we aren&#039;t) due to political/system fagility, how can we expect a PaaS or IaaS vendor to be any better at it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shrdlu </p>
<p>RE: dual purpose &#8211; Could be.  But we&#8217;re talking two pretty different data sets at this point.  </p>
<p>RE: SaaS/PaaS/IaaS &#8211; I was assuming that (in IaaS, at least), the customer would be responsible for patching the various levels of Cloud Infrastructure (ala Hoff&#8217;s diagram in the CSA doc and on his blog) they had &#8220;control over&#8221;.  But more directly to your point &#8211; yeah, if we&#8217;re doing a &#8220;bad job&#8221; (for whatever that is worth) patching in a timely manner (and maybe we aren&#8217;t) due to political/system fagility, how can we expect a PaaS or IaaS vendor to be any better at it?</p>
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		<title>By: shrdlu</title>
		<link>http://newschoolsecurity.com/2009/05/time-to-patch-patch-significance-types-of-cloud-computing/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>shrdlu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 13:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it could be a floor wax AND a dessert topping, since the slowness of patching could simply be a correlation with the kinds of organizations that also don&#039;t change their default passwords, misconfigure ACLs, and so on.

There is also a huge difference between a SaaS infrastructure (where you own and control one or two applications as well as the rest of the stack) and PaaS/IaaS, where you are trying to keep your platform compatible with a multitude of applications run by your customers.  In the latter case, it&#039;s a struggle to patch at all, since your customers&#039; applications will be in varying stages of maturity/funding/support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it could be a floor wax AND a dessert topping, since the slowness of patching could simply be a correlation with the kinds of organizations that also don&#8217;t change their default passwords, misconfigure ACLs, and so on.</p>
<p>There is also a huge difference between a SaaS infrastructure (where you own and control one or two applications as well as the rest of the stack) and PaaS/IaaS, where you are trying to keep your platform compatible with a multitude of applications run by your customers.  In the latter case, it&#8217;s a struggle to patch at all, since your customers&#8217; applications will be in varying stages of maturity/funding/support.</p>
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